We just couldn't let The Just Podcast end without addressing some of the heavier topics consuming our nation and world right now. We spent some time in REAL talk, RAW emotions, and what steps we can take forward towards progress.
Episode Summary:
0:00 - Intro
0:48 - Episode start
1:38 - Jes frames up the episode
3:42 - Rob asks why are we here?
4.26 - Talking honestly, openly, and vulnerably
7:00 - Rob is struggling but wants to lean in
8:12 - Jes remembers talking to her son about Trayvon Martin
10:05 - Mourning vs. shock or anger
13:11 - Naming the difference between reactions from Black folks and white folks
13:32 - The one place that white people never go - "that could be me"
14:11 - Ahmaud Arbery
14:57 - Jes explains the aspect of trauma
17:00 - Jes is reassessing her role in the resistance
17:18 - Rob says everyone should ask “what is my role?”
17:54 - Jes explains more about her assessment
19:38 - Jes will build wealth for herself and her community
20:02 - Wealth is power
20:21 - When Black communities move towards power, white supremacy brings them down
21:47 - White folks can't stand the power structures to shift
22:17 - If Black folks had power, people would think twice about killing them
23:38 - The system of race was an economic play
24:27 - Why was race created in the first place?
25:56 - Rob talks about learning about NC Mutual
26:51 - You can’t stop at the diagnosis
28:11 - If Blackness is a social construct, then so is whiteness
28:59 - When is the white community going to examine their own identity or move beyond it?
29:44 - Rob admits he would rather examine Blackness than look at his own whiteness
31:25 - White people need to become students of how whiteness works
33:22 - Will Rob do the work to study his own legacy and how he got here?
34:45 - White people don't feel shared responsibility for the harm they cause
35:16 - White people bring an individual lens - they don't see systemic issues
36:11 - We're at a different place than when we started this podcast
37:02 - We have to take a personal and spiritual accounting
37:37 - Naming white supremacy
39:20 - Rob describes being blind to the injustices of privilege
40:07 - Rob commits to learning how his social mobility story interacts with the larger picture
40:49 - You gotta do the work
41:03 - There are more resources available now than 3 weeks ago
41:52 - We’re going to keep this conversation going
43:00 - Episode end
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Our hosts:
Jes Averhart, cofounder of Black Wallstreet Homecoming
Rob Shields, executive director of the Recity Network.
Our Producer:
Ben Azevedo, owner of Bear Cave Audio